So… Why would anyone buy this instead of a b&t apc45? Thus, it’s just an interesting photo on the interwebs. Natural and Human Disasters. I have my bnt ghm45, I am contemplating the LWRC next. I’m putting some possible rationale behind the decision with all that, and you can’t deny it, but you don’t have to agree or like it. I drooled over these when they were first teased, but $3k? This thread is archived. That’s kinda ridiculous. LWRC surprised everyone at NRAAM this year by releasing a completely new platform, the SMG-45. Actually a piston AR only asks for more problems. And the new DI is no exception. It features an adjustable length of pull and, based on the two screws seen in the top tube, possibly a facility for future cheek rests. Better Security for the Home. Churn out a few thousand to drop the price, add a 10mm and 9mm option, and they’ll sell like mad. Um… nope. The LWRCI™ UMP magazines are built to be the lightest, most robust magazine possible. My LWRC is the most accurate 556. Specifications: Capacity: 25-Rounds While Glock-style magazines in .45 are fairly easy to come by, the SMG-45 feeds from HK UMP mags. best. Cambridge, Maryland-based LWRC International has debuted their first pistol caliber platform, the SMG-45, which is billed as a “step-up” compared to … Do you mean the SMG-45? LWRC seems to have teething issues with their first generation guns. So basically it’s no better than UMP. This SMG has been shown at least since NRA 2016 in Louisville, they’ve had plenty of opportunity to change to 9MM and go to M-LOK, especially considering its stratospheric (for a pistol caliber PDW) $3000 price tag. The SMG 45 operates via an inertia-driven, delayed blow-back design. Street price is probably $2400-$2500 and will fall over the next couple of years to sub-$2000. PISTOL CALIBER PERFECTION. Hell, it could have been a lengthy internal discussion, it could have been the head of the company likes 45 so much and scoffed at everyone else. You could also buy 10 Hi Point carbines for that price, and in several different calipers of your choice. Meet the first model in the SMG Family - the new LWRCI™ SMG .45 Pistol + SB Tactical Brace.The highly anticipated SMG model is built on an AR platform with innovations and high performance features you expect from an LWRCI™. Add to that the fact that it uses unobtanium (or $80 retail) UMP mags? The SMG 45 is not exactly a brand new gun. It was announced 5 years ago to address … The TNW Aero is the best .45 ACP survival rifle. Like it a lot, but I wish LWRC had gone with MLOK instead of … It’s the reason why HK early on, only developed 45 ACP suppressed with the Mark 23 SOCOM for Navy Seals and later USP for civilians. $3k for a short-recoil PCC? Aside from the magazines and caliber though there aren't many similarities. I've not shot it, this is just from some basic handling and dry firing, but it felt very well built. Maybe they had a vote, maybe it’s something else but it is what it is. LWRC’s goal with the SMG 45 was to provide an updated replacement for aging submachine guns found worldwide. 13. share. The right side of the LWRC SMG-45 features a bolt release and bolt catch that mirrors the AR-style one on the left side. At the end of the day you will realize that there is really no need for a specialized piston AR that does not do anything more than a regular DI AR. Rating Required. To top that off, considering the SMG-45's compact 8.5-inch barrel, this pistol will be handy with even the longest of mounted suppressors. Solid as a brick; awesome recoil abatement through the delayed blowback and the fact I can use ubiquitous UMP mags. LWRC International takes a nearly hold-my-beer approach with its complex-looking, yet elegant-acting short recoil/delayed blowback operating system. No buffer tube silliness to try and work around, so the folded brace or stock actually drops the footprint to something vehicle or backpack worthy. The SMG 45 is not exactly a brand new gun. © COPYRIGHT 2020, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. https://youtu.be/BIPCn-aYMoM, I have been waiting four years for this gun, honestly I was afraid it was vaporware…. 8.5" barrel on the LWRC SMG 45 may add some fps. I haven’t had any issues with mine. SKU: SMGPB45B8S UPC: 850006403509. Well made but pricey. The main reason, I gather, APC45 is still a blowback. This review didn't really change my interest level in the SMG 45. The safety lever is ambidextrous, too, as is the paddle-style magazine release under the rear of the magazine well. Sort by. I want, but my usually understanding wife will balk at that price. LWRCI’s forte is piston-driven AR rifles. Hornady 45ACP +P 230gr XTP has a muzzle velocity of 950fps. These versions all come with an 8.5″ barrel, the SB Tactical SBTi folding subgun brace and two 25-round magazines (or less capacity depending on how much Freedom your location allows).. Friend just bought one, it's an absolute tank. I have been following LWRCI since its early origins and have written several articles on its rifles along the way. The whole recoil system on the Vector is an interesting design and the one I shot was pretty nice, though it was a 9mm. Try finding B&T APC 45 (blow back) mags for less than $90. Sorry, but what makes this better and more expensive than a B&T APC 45? The LWRCI™ UMP magazines are built to be the lightest, most robust magazine possible. Yeah, games sell guns and get people into firearms. A “delayed blowback” is a different system. They developed the gun for the government. Now they pass on the cost to the citizen. For those who are a fan of the HK UMP-45, stay ecstatic, because the SMG-45 uses the same magazines. I have both German and US made and I see no difference in quality. In .45…interesting choice, but a good one. In full auto, the best I could do was 4-5 round bursts. I think Vectors are completely ridiculous and pointless to everyone except for as a curiosity. However, their barrels are "special" and you don't have any choices other than LWRC themselves. 8.5" barrel on the LWRC SMG 45 may add some fps. There is still a market for it there and they can distinguish themselves a bit. Would have fun owning it if I could afford such an extravagance and all that money to keep it well fed. SHTF Preparedness. It is designed on LWRCI's The new LWRCI SMG-45 is an extremely nice looking and feeling, high quality firearm. 600$ or less and lose the AR buffer tube mess and trigger pin snaps. Three grand, not in 9 or 10mm, takes expensive HK mags, not MLOK compatible…. New From LWRC: SMG-45 .45 ACP SBR and Pistol, NYT Reporter: LaPierre ‘Unanimously Re-Elected’, It’s Official: LaPierre, All NRA Officers Unanimously Re-Elected Without Opposition, Meadows Elected President, Washington Bill Would Make Open Carry In Groups A Felony If Someone is ‘Alarmed’, New From Walther: Optics Ready PDP 9mm ‘Performance Duty Pistol’. I want one. Low recoil. The only thing I didn’t really like on the full auto one I got to play with were the separate safety and fire rate controls. Same thing with the Scorpion EVO pistols. Keep Your Powder Dry. Comments Required. You have entered an incorrect email address! No, it’s not a popular handgun cartridge, because when you have to hold a double stack 45 handgun it always feels like a behemoth. LWRC SMG 45. level 1. Yeah I thought they had given up on it. Having fired the Vector (in .45) and the MP5K both with the giggle switch installed, I’m partial to the Vector. CMMG Banshee/Guardian, HK USC/UMP, B&T APC45, LWRC SMG-45. The SMG-45 is the first and only model in LWRCI’s pistol caliber lineup. Company reps were cautious, saying that they would base those decisions off the success of this initial offering. It’s not really my cup of tea but I doubt the price will be that high forever. (Especially if you SBR them.). Buffalo Bore 45ACP +P … If you see one in a gun store all the people my age and below want to marvel at it, play with it and a bunch of them end up muzzling people with it. LWRC Lwrc Smg-45 Pstl 45Acp 8.5" 25Rd BLK. LWRC SMG .45 (This magazine is the factory OEM magazine for the LWRC SMG 45) Gideon Shadow .45. Does anyone own a LWRC SMG-45? To be fair to the Vector, it’s a very good brand of new hotness. share. Nothing. LWRC SMG 45 Auto (ACP) 8.5in Black Modern Sporting Pistol 25+1 Rounds - $2999.99 LWRC SMG 45 Auto (ACP) 8.5in Black Modern Sporting Pistol - 25+1 Rounds - The SMG model is built on an AR platform with innovations and high performance features you expect from an LWRCI. LAS VEGAS -- LWRC International demonstrated its long-awaited .45-caliber carbine Monday at the range day portion of SHOT Show 2020.. It comes with the rail panel covers shown, six total, with one having a small handstop at the front, so if you just want covers, you’re good. It’s an outstanding round to suppress, and efficient to run in 6-12” barrels. My wife almost beat the fuck out of some skater idiot for pointing an EVO at her last time we were at a gun shop. The new LWRCI SMG-45 is an extremely nice looking and feeling, high quality firearm. So far, just a couple hundred rounds shot, all 230gr ball, including some old Norinco junk. ... Might be worth saying you saw this review which seem to describe the same 'potentially dangerous' problem and you would like them to address it. Buffalo Bore 45ACP +P 185gr JHP has a muzzle velocity of 1150fps The SMG-45 is sure to become extremely popular with anyone who appreciates suppressed shooting. Over to the pistol and we see an SB Tactical pistol stabilizing brace. Extra mags for the hot, new, LWRCI™ SMG 45! As far as the value, if it was in 9X19 I’d agree with you, but it’s not. I don’t blame them either, 45 ACP is still a popular cartridge, whether you like it or not, and with all these new SMGs there aren’t any in 45 other than the APC as I recall (unless you count the UMP 45 recreations). I own one. TNW Aero Survival 45 ACP: Best Survival Carbine. There are plenty of awesome PCC options on the market at 2/3 – 1/3 of that. …as much as I like the idea of a PCC in .45 ACP, I’m not seeing a reason this would be 3x as much fun as a Scorpion EVO 3 at the range. Chambered in .45 ACP, it brings a lot of power in a compact package, as our SMG 45 … So I can understand that. I it alot. Jeremy strives to collect objective data whenever possible, and looks to write accurate reviews that reflect the true user experience. Typical…. Accuracy issues with the LWRC SMG 45? Like it a lot, but I wish LWRC had gone with MLOK instead of their proprietary rail slots. Colt found that strategy to be… unproductive. Now that it’s here, the civilian-friendly pistol variant is causing quite a stir. LWRC International takes a nearly hold-my-beer approach with its complex-looking, yet elegant-acting short recoil/d… This to me indicates that while the bolt carrier and barrel are achieving a safe lockup for firing that an inconsistency in the receiver it allowing the angle of the barrel to change during this lock up. You get all the muzzle velocity increase you’ll practically see with LWRC’s barrel length, a caliber begging for a can, and a half-inch thumper of a bullet out the end. j, I was able to hold and examine one last week at the gunshop. They seem to attract a certain level of tomfuckery that other guns don’t. It does seem like they refined it and made it more custom, I was thinking it would have a standard AR charging handle and be blow back, basically just an AR45. At least with a muffler all you get is old guys who tell you it’s illegal… but since they think it’s illegal they don’t want to play with it. PASS. Tommy Built Tactical .45. I am looking for opinions. Back when the company started, there were no piston ARs available. The SMG-45 is sure to become extremely popular with anyone who appreciates suppressed shooting. The Vector is just the new hotness. Now that ive mention it 1 of the two LWRCs ive seen was a jamomatic and the other didn’t do anything a free gloated M&P doesnt do while being hundreds less and looking nearly identical. The CMMG Guard and Banshee also use a true delayed blowback. And yeah, I know the APC 45 pro will be close in price. LWRC seems to have teething issues with their first generation guns. Thanks the last few I have followed went for a bit more than I'm willing to pay above list. It didn’t work out so well. Sadly, Kriss won’t ship factory SBRs to my state because “reasons” so it went on the back burner while I got my MP5K “pistol” and waited on paperwork. NEW SMG .45 PISTOL + SB TACTICAL BRACE. … What does this offer over that? Money better spent on More AMMO. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. A $3K toy that most people couldn’t afford to keep fueled. The only thing they produced recently which didn't seem to have teething issues was their DI ar15. I think that tiny “micro” (Think MP5K / Vector) PCCs have a place in home defense and personal protection. To top that off, considering the SMG-45's compact 8.5-inch barrel, this pistol will be handy with even the longest of mounted suppressors. Fit, finish, and design are fantastic (though for the consumer market I could have gone for M-LOK slots rather than LWRC’s own attachment system). Extra mags for the hot, new, LWRCI™ SMG 45! But when you can have those 25 rounds hanging off the gun just forward the trigger then you’ve drastically changed a factor in caliber choice. April 29, 2019 at 23:33 The problem comes in sporadically but consistently that the SMG 45 throws a round vertically. If it weren’t for the $3k price tag I’d seriously consider it. I shoot suppressed almost exclusively in order to save what little hearing I have left. And the former is accomplished by other PCCs half the price. It shot well suppressed and as a range gun that was literally just getting loaded and fired with a long wraparound line to shoot it, it seemed quite reliable. I know there are quite a few pcc guys on here. Not a bad way to grow the community. THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS for a semi auto machine pistol. Unfortunately for LWRC, the MP5, MPX, and CMMG banshee all do it a lot cheaper. I hope they can get the price down to more realistic levels …………………………..Realistically, it’s no different from all the tools who grew up reading too much Soldier of Fortune in the 70s and 80s.”, “strych9 says: The LWRCI SMG 45 is a .45 ACP subgun that some have said it's a modern UMP. These are all pricer than any of the three tested above but are all legitimate candidates. Consumers can expect to start seeing the highly anticipated firearm showing up at local dealers in the next few weeks. What a failure and waste of serious talent. Never could understand pissing money away on expensive toys that sit on the shelf to be bragged about. It’s a .45 ACP subgun that takes HK UMP magazines. My … I like the ump mags instead of Glock mags for this. Especially with the glock mag lower. actually … the .45acp is within the top 5 sold pistol cartridges. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. LWRC made a natural choice in chambering their first SMG in the classic .45 ACP cartridge. But if you want anything else, you’ll have to buy from LWRC. We overheard several passersby request other caliber options. Do you mean the SMG-45? Gamers turn into airsofters who turn into practical rifle / 3 gun guys. “… a unique delayed blowback mechanism. sorry for the interruption, back to your regular programming. RF knew all about this line of getting people into guns which is why he originally wanted game reviews for TTAG, along with some other techno based stuff to get people, especially younger people into the 2A community. My MAC-10 can’t even come close. The latter cant be accomplished due to the current state of our civil liberties but really it full auto fire rate is still a little too high. Nice looking pcc/subgun! This will fit all HK UMP .45 firearms as well as the LWRC SMG 45 and other UMP style builds such as the following. That’s high-end rifle money. Early 2019 brought the introduction of the SMG-45, a 45 ACP-chambered submachine gun. Until .45 PCCs are more reasonable in price ill pass. The CMMG uses Glock mags too. To be fair, I’d bet you had the exact same level of bullshit with MP5s and other HK shit two decades ago when the Rainbow Six games were all the rage. The only thing Vectors do well is take glock mags and, theoretically, better at full auto. The most common delayed blowback is one implemented by H&K in MP-5 and G3. At the very least hide the cash away for the unknown. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Oh well to each their own. I’ve made that argument before but I’d rather not follow that groove on certain “popular game guns” I guess and the Vector is one of them. I could get 10+ M3 SMG’s for the cost of one of these…. Expensive, but a nice gun. Most people are cheap and stupid…that’s why that sell the sh/t out of Budweiser, Bud Light, and Michelob Ultra. LWRC made a natural choice in chambering their first SMG in the classic .45 ACP cartridge. LWRC SMG 45 Auto (ACP) 8.5in Black Modern Sporting Pistol 25+1 Rounds - $2999.99 LWRC SMG 45 Auto (ACP) 8.5in Black Modern Sporting Pistol - 25+1 Rounds - The SMG model is built on an AR platform with innovations and high performance features you expect from an LWRCI. LWRC SMG 45 - Garand Thumb review. I haven’t had any issues with mine. And since it looks heavily “AR” in its design, I wonder if its going to break trigger pins every 800 rounds like many other 9MM AR platform guns do. That overarching “cool” factor combined with the general level of stupidity of the people picking it up repulses me. It oozed quality. For $3k I can pick up a Vector in both .45 ACP AND 10mm…. In honor of Independence Day -the first run of LWRCI SMG .45’s shipped this week from LWRC International’s Cambridge, Maryland facility. The .45 SMG Pistol is constructed of high performance aluminum and steel. LWRCI SMG 45 LWRCI SMG45 Pistol LWRCI SMG45 Pistol. If they designed it for 45 ACP then it’s probably built to handle every other popular pistol cartridge: 9mm, 10mm, 40S&W, 357 Sig, etc. As you can see, the lower is marked “MULTI-CAL,” and LWRC says that conversions to at least 9×19 and possibly other calibers are on the way. Still, video games get people into guns. It’s a delayed blowback system that will suppress well if the gun works as advertised. They are quite popular today, however, and I give LWRCI a lot of credit for nearly single-handedly creating that market. Im a big fan of the UMP, and this looks like it will be a good alternative to that! For the commercial market it will be available in both SBR and SB Tactical pistol-braced pistol forms. I have a KRISS Vector in .45 and it does not have the same build quality or precision feel as the APC, nor does the H&K UMP45. It will be a week tomorrow that they have had it and the two original mags it came with. LWRC DI Rifle CALIFORNIA LEGAL - .223/5.56- Burnt Bronze. The only thing they produced recently which didn't seem to have teething issues was their DI ar15. Generally speaking I fail to see the point in a semi-auto subgun. On anything with a longer than 6″ barrel, I agree with you. “pwrserge says: youtu.be/rOxjWx... 15 comments. Fit, finish, and design are fantastic (though for the consumer market I could have gone for M-LOK slots rather than LWRC’s own attachment system). (The two round burst function is a technological marvel.) They’ll sell a lot more of these things if they cut the price to a grand or so. This review didn't really change my interest level in the SMG 45. report. Not going to happen. Quick Reply to: It is designed on LWRCI's ………………………………….Personally, if I was going to buy something specifically because I saw it in a game it would be like the BFG from Doom, Gravity Gun from Half-Life or something crazy from Borderlands or the Destiny franchise.”, I’m still waiting for a phased plasma rifle in a 40 watt range. The barrel and bolt travel rearwards together for a short distance before unlocking, which delays the opening of the action and allows the pressure to drop and more of the gas and pressure to exit the muzzle rather than the ejection port. 100% US Manufactured, the LWRCI™ SMG UMP .45 cal, 25 round factory magazines are constructed from a proprietary mix of the latest polymer technologies. Training especially Medical. HK Parts has the US made mags for $49. save. LWRC made a natural choice in chambering their first submachine gun/pistol in the classic .45 ACP cartridge. Not to mention how many people with SMG/PDW/”pistols”/whatever put cans on them? .45 ACP is inherently subsonic, and pairing that with the delayed blowback mechanism means the SMG-45 is the perfect suppressor host. Naturally, the muzzle is threaded. I dunno about Rainbow Six but the original CS made the PSG-1, G3 and Styer Scout popular and MW3/The Division both made the Vector popular along with the Osprey line of suppressors from SiCo. The barrel and bolt travel rearwards together for a short distance before unlocking …” — This is called a recoil operation, Jeremy. LWRC made a natural choice in chambering their first submachine gun/pistol in the classic .45 ACP cartridge. For 3k price, I will go for a top of the line Wilson Combat AR pistol that takes glock mag AND with the rest of the money get a Glock 19 that also takes Glock mag. Low recoil. The new LWRCI SMG-45 is an extremely nice looking and feeling, high quality firearm. I’m sure I’m not alone. If one is in the market for a .45 caliber PCC or SMG, and can afford it, the B&T APC45 is an excellent option.